2011/2/14 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> > > > On Feb 14, 2:52 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 14 Feb 2011, at 13:35, 1Z wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 14, 8:47 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > >> Do you believe that Goldbach conjecture is either true or false? If > > >> you agree with this, then you accept arithmetical realism, which is > > >> enough for the comp consequences., > > > > > Nope. Bivalence can be accepted as a formal rule and therefore > > > not as a claim that some set of objects either exist or don't. > > > > That's my point. > > Such a formal claim cannot support the conclusion that > I am an immaterial dreaming machine. > > > > > >> Do you believe that Church thesis makes sense? That is enough to say > > >> that you believe in the 'arithmetical platonia' > > > > > Not at all. > > > > OK. This means that you are using "arithmetical platonia" in a sense > > which is not relevant for the reasoning. > > If you accept CT, there should be no problem with the reasoning at all. > > I accept CT and reject Platonism, and thus the reasoning does not go > through. > > > >> . People needs to be > > >> ultrafinitist to reject the arithmetical platonia. > > > > > No, they just need to be anti realist. > > > > Same remark. > > Nope. Finitists think 7 exists., anti realists think it doesn't. > > > >> Personnaly I am a bit skeptical on set realism, because it is hard to > > >> define it, but for the numbers I have never met people who are not > > >> realist about them. > > > > > Oh come on. How can you say that after I just told > > > you 7 doesn't exist. > > > > You contradict your self, > > No I don't. How many times have I explained that > mathematical existence claims are true in a fictive > sense that doesn't imply real existence >
You still did not define what is real existence... that it kicks back is not an acceptable definition. When you're dead you don't exist ? If yes what does it means to exist at all ? > > >unless you mean that seven is not made of > > matter. In which case comp nothing exists. > > What does "comp nothing exists" mean? > > > >> Even to say "I am not arithmetical realist" is > > >> enough to be an arithmetical realist > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > Probable, given your rather inappropriate sense of metaphysical > > realism in mathematics. > > I am not a realist about maths. You must be because you exist > and you think you are a number > > > >> . A real anti-ariothmetical > > >> realist cannot even spaeak about arithmetical realism. You need to be > > >> an arithmetical realist to make sense of denying it. > > > > > Like the old canard that to deny God is to accept God? Naah. Meaning > > > is not > > > just reference. > > > > A reasoning is valid, or not valid. > > A true conclusion requires soundness as well as validity > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
