On Aug 11, 10:22 am, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> You will note that there is no claim here about any theory of > >> consciousness: it could be intrinsic to matter, it could come from > >> tiny black holes inside cells, it could be generated on the fly by > >> God. Whatever it is, can it be separated from function? > > > What do you mean by function? Is yellow a function? Is irony or comedy > > a function? > > On the one hand there is the third person observable behaviour of the > neurons: they fire in a certain sequence and ultimately they cause > muscle contraction.?
I would say that technically they don't cause muscle contraction, because muscles can and do contract by themselves under the right biochemical conditions (potassium imbalance, etc). It's not just the sequence, it's the physical presence of something that is 'firing' that the proteins of the muscle imitates in it's own language. As we know, frog legs can be contracted from a wire 'firing', so it's not just an abstract sequence, it's a concrete physical event. >On the other hand there is that which can only be > experienced by the first person. Can these be separated, so that > neurons can be made which cause the muscles to contract in the same > sequence when substituted into the brain but lack the subjective > qualities of normal neurons Sure, muscles will contract for any old material that can conduct an electric current. A muscle doesn't require a high level conversation with the brain's cells to react. We can move in our sleep when we aren't subjectively conscious of it. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.