On 6/16/2012 4:06 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/16/2012 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:


    > and these events almost always contributed to the realization
    of express plans


If the plans were announced before the event and it always happened then you would have a very hard time convincing anyone that the event really was "physically uncaused", few get that lucky so its statistically much more likely the plans caused the event.

That was Bruno's point that he would sooner suppose that we had just not looked closely enough, or at a low enough level, to detect the physical chain of causation. I don' believe in this spirit theory anyway; I was just trying to show it was a testable theory. Of course if you take Bruno's view then you risk making materialism an untestable theory, since no matter what result you can say,"Well it must be due to a deeper physical phenomenon."

Hi,

Is this not exactly the point where we enter the abyss of the unfalsifiable? This is why this is a metaphysical (before physics) discussion. At what point does a limit impose itself or are we allowing for infinite regress???


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Onward!

Stephen

"Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed."
~ Francis Bacon

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