On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > We can perhaps agree that consciousness-here-and-now is the only truth > we know which seems undoubtable, so it might be more easy to explain the > illusion of matter to consciousness than the illusion of consciousness to a > piece of matter. > If consciousness is more fundamental than matter then it's difficult to explain why it's easy to find examples of matter without consciousness but nobody has yet found a single example of consciousness without matter. Yeah yeah I know, it's all just a illusion, but why only that illusion? Why is the "illusion" always that matter effects consciousness and consciousness effects matter if one is more fundamental than the other? >> I don't see why it *MUST* be due to a deeper physical phenomenon; nearly >> every physicists alive says some things have no cause >> > > > You might provide references. > Why? I think it would have been pompous and downright condescending to do so, you will certainly have no trouble finding such references without my help. But if I had said "many physicist think it is a logical necessity that every event must have a cause" then THAT would indeed need references! > > Event without reason might exist but cannot be invoked to explain > anything. > To say that X happened not for any physical reason and not because of God but for no reason whatsoever is a explanation and it might even be true, but the trouble is it might not be and if you assume its true and give up there is no hope of ever finding the true reason if there is one. So there is the possibility we could spend eternity looking for something that does not exist. > To invoke them as such is just equivalent with "I dunno and will never > know". > These answers to a question are all different: 1) I dunno. (What is the capital of Wyoming?) 2) I dunno and may never know. (Is the Goldbach Conjecture true?) 3) I dunno and will never know. (What are the first hundred digits of Chaitin's Omega Constant?) 4) Although meaningful the question has no answer. (Why is there something rather than nothing?) And either a chain of "why" question is infinitely long or it is not and you eventually come to a "why" question that cannot be answered because there is no reason behind it. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
