Brent, Stephen,
On 18 Jun 2012, at 18:55, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 6/18/2012 11:51 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/18/2012 1:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Because consciousness, to be relatively manifestable, introduced a
separation between me and not me, and the "not me" below my
substitution level get stable and persistent by the statistical
interference between the infinitely many computations leading to
my first person actual state.
How does on computation interfere with another? and how does that
define a conscious stream of thought that is subjective agreement
with other streams of thought?
Brent
They interfere statistically by the first person indeterminacy on UD*
(or arithmetic).
And it remains to be seen if that defines a conscious stream of
thought that is subjective agreement with other streams of thought.
Do you realize that you are asking Bruno the same question here
that I have been asking him for a long time now? Exactly how do
computations have any form of causal efficacy upon each other within
an immaterialist scheme?
By the embedding of a large part of the constructive computer science
in arithmetic.
There is a universal diophantine polynomial (I will say more on this
on the FOAR list soon). Once you have a universal system, you get them
all (with CT). I might identify a notion of cause with the notion of
universal (or not) machine. Some existing number relation implements
all the possible relations between all possible universal machine.
You have to study the detail of Gödel's proof, or study Kleene's
predicate, which translate computer science in arithmetic. For the non
materialist, the problem is not to get interactions, the problem is
not having too much of them.
Keep in mind I submit a problem, for the computationalist. Not a
solution., but precise problems. You can use the arithmetical
quantization to test test the quantum tautologies.
We will see if there is or not some winning topological quantum
computer on the border of numberland, as seen from inside all
computations.
Bruno
Might it be that 'subjective agreement" between streams of thought
is just another form of what computer science denotes as
bisimulation (except that it is not a timeless platonic version of
it)?--
Onward!
Stephen
"Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed."
~ Francis Bacon
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