On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > The first person indeterminacy is a fact, with respect to comp. >
First person indeterminacy is a fact with respect to ANYTHING, sometimes you don't know what you're going to do till you do it. I find your theoretical prediction of this less than impressive. > And then if I luckily succeed in computing the electron mass > 9.10938291×10-31kg, Brent will tell me that we already knew that, and ask > for something else. > Don't be ridiculous! If you can produce the value of 9.10938291×10^-31kg from nothing but pure numbers you would be universally hailed as the greatest logician or mathematician or physicist (there would no longer be any difference between the three professions) who ever lived. Philosophical theories are a dime a dozen but theories that can produce numbers are not, and theories where the numbers match the numbers obtained from experiment are even less common. If you want your ideas to go mainstream there is just no alternative, you've got to find a way for those ideas to churn out numbers, numbers that can be tested. > You need also to be interested in consciousness, and capable of > distinguishing first and third person points of view > I'm interested in consciousness but I am not capable of always making the distinction between the first and third person points of view, but you have admitted you can't do it either. On March 27 2012 I said: "Give me a example of 2 conscious beings that are identical by what you call "3-view" but NOT identical by what you call "1-view", show they deserve different names, do that and I might get a idea what you're talking about; but don't give me that diaries business, if the diaries are different a third party can see that just as well as the individuals who wrote them. Just one clear non mystical example where objectively 2 things are identical but subjectively they are not, that's all I ask and I don't think it's a unreasonable request as your proof depends on there being such a difference." You responded to my request with: "You ask me something impossible" I agree it is impossible. I can conceive of 2 conscious minds being identical from the 1- view but not from the 3-view, for example a mind generated from a biological brain and a uploaded mind generated from a computer, in which case there really wouldn't be two minds but only one. However 2 minds identical from the 3- view but not from the 1-view makes no sense. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
