On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:33, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

The idea of looking for a spatio-temporal location of the mental (or soul) categories in the brain is wrong IHMO, and it is surprising to heart this from you Roger. Brain localization of mental functions is like trying to locate physically the spell checker of a word processor in the hardware of a personal computer. The spell checker uses most of the hardware.

But there are low level computer functions that are physically located, such are the floating point unit, the memory transfer unit etc. There are a parallelism in the brain: IHMO there is a confusion between very specialized functions, like sensory processing, which are localized for reasons of processing efficiency and wider, higuer level functions like the self, which are not subject to this restriction. As far as i know, the amygdala is part of these efficiency-constrained parts of the brain. For this reason it is almost a separate organ. It is in charge of early processing of sensory data to trigger rapid responses before they are consciously analysed.


You can't locate the first person mind, but you can locate relatively to you the 3p modules responsible for the relative (to you) manifestation of that mind.

In fine, that local 3p is only an 1p-plural due to the 1p indeterminacy on all the arithmetical realization of those manifestation, so the "exact 3p picture" is more complex, and involves infinities of computations.

Bruno




2012/9/11 Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>


The self (the amygdala) and the triune brain

Since neuroscience omits or seems not to feature the most important part of the brain, the self,
I've decided to try to locate it. I believe it is the amygdala.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KY_sgX2gAMY/Tg1zrbUs_fI/AAAAAAAAAfM/-XBfGi_O0RU/s1600/triune%2Bbrain.gif



<amygdala triune brain.png>

The amygdala is a small brain organ which is not pictured in the above diagram but is in the center of the reptelian brain in the above diagram. In fact it is at the well-protected center of the entire brain, where common sense, overall access to brain functions, and necessary survival tells you it ought to be. Its function is to alert you to anything dangerous in your path such as a snake. Thus it must have
two functions, a cognitive one to tell a branch from a snake, and
an affective one (fear) to cause you to jump back from the snake.

amygdala = cognitive + affective

Although neuroscience does not consider consciousness to be a dipole as below:

Cs = subject + object


It is a logical necessity. My suggestion is that the subject is the amygdala and the object is any needed part of the brain (you can find maps of these
through Google.

In this model, consciousness is at the bottom based on feelings,
such as the sense of passing time,or self-centered fear. Above or beyond are
the cognitive functions necessary for thinking and image perception.










Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/11/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."

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