Hi Bruno Marchal Do you believe that a computer has a physical mind that can be conscious ?
Roger Clough, [email protected] 9/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 10:45:01 Subject: Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge On 24 Sep 2012, at 16:39, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 9/24/2012 9:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi meekerdb >> >> The computer can mechanically prove something, >> but it cannot know that it did so. It cannot >> sit back with a beer and muse over how smart it is. >> >> > Hi Roger, > > What you are considering that a computer does not have is the > ability to model itself within its environment and compute > optimizations of such a model to guide its future choices. This can > be well represented within a computational framework and it is > something that Bruno has worked out in his comp model. (My only beef > with Bruno is that his model is so abstract that it is completely > disconnected from the physical world and thus has a "body" problem.) But that is the "scientific success" of the comp theory (not "model") : it reduces the mind body problem to a body problem, in a precise realm, with a technic to extract the "laws of bodies", making comp an utterly scientific, in Popper sense, theory. You still miss the point. The body problem is not a defect, it is the main success of comp. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
