Hi Stephen P. King I don't deny that a computer can optimize itself, but I deny that the operation is autonomous, meaning independent, for ultimately it is software dependent, using a program written by an outsider. True intelligence and true consciousness must be to whatever extent possible independent of outside help or perspective.
Isn't the self 1p ? not sure. Roger Clough, [email protected] 9/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 10:39:14 Subject: Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge On 9/24/2012 9:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi meekerdb > > The computer can mechanically prove something, > but it cannot know that it did so. It cannot > sit back with a beer and muse over how smart it is. > > Hi Roger, What you are considering that a computer does not have is the ability to model itself within its environment and compute optimizations of such a model to guide its future choices. This can be well represented within a computational framework and it is something that Bruno has worked out in his comp model. (My only beef with Bruno is that his model is so abstract that it is completely disconnected from the physical world and thus has a "body" problem.) -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
