Hi Bruno Marchal The immanent is that which is in spacetime, is extended and physical. The transcendent is that which is outside of spacetime, is not extended and is nonphysical.
Platonia is transcendent, numbers are transcendent, arithmetic is transcendent. Yet you seem to believe that mind is immanent, not transcendent. Isn't there a conflict in such an understanding ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ==================================================== ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 10:45:01 Subject: Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge On 24 Sep 2012, at 16:39, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 9/24/2012 9:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi meekerdb >> >> The computer can mechanically prove something, >> but it cannot know that it did so. It cannot >> sit back with a beer and muse over how smart it is. >> >> > Hi Roger, > > What you are considering that a computer does not have is the > ability to model itself within its environment and compute > optimizations of such a model to guide its future choices. This can > be well represented within a computational framework and it is > something that Bruno has worked out in his comp model. (My only beef > with Bruno is that his model is so abstract that it is completely > disconnected from the physical world and thus has a "body" problem.) But that is the "scientific success" of the comp theory (not "model") : it reduces the mind body problem to a body problem, in a precise realm, with a technic to extract the "laws of bodies", making comp an utterly scientific, in Popper sense, theory. You still miss the point. The body problem is not a defect, it is the main success of comp. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
