Bruno: BEC are Turing emulable, so you can't get substance dualism, Richard: Please explain why not.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 10 Oct 2012, at 18:47, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> Craig, >> >> I claim that a connection is needed in substance dualism between the >> substance of the mind and the substance of the brain. That is, if >> consciousness resides in a BEC in the brain and also in the mind, then >> the two can become entangled and essentially be copies of each other. >> So the BEC connection mechanism supports substance dualism. >> >> Substance dualism then solves the hard problem using string theory >> monads.. >> >> For example take the binding problem where: >> "There are an almost infinite number of possible, different >> objects we are capable of seeing, There cannot be a single >> neuron, often referred to as a grandmother cell, for each >> one." (http://papers.klab.caltech.edu/22/1/148.pdf) >> However, at a density of 10^90/cc >> (from string theory; e.g., ST Yau, The Shape of Inner Space), >> the binding problem can be solved by configurations of monads for >> "all different values of depth, motion, color, and spatial >> location" >> ever sensed. (I have a model that backs this up: >> >> http://yanniru.blogspot.com/2012/04/implications-of-conjectured-megaverse.html) >> >> So the monads and the neurons experience the same things >> because of the BEC entanglement connection. >> These experiences are stored physically in short-term memory >> that Crick and Kock claim is essential to physical consciousness >> and the experiences in my model are also stored in the monads >> perhaps to solve the binding problem >> and at least for computational support of physical consciousness. >> Richard > > > > BEC are Turing emulable, so you can't get substance dualism, only, by making > the level that low, you can get, perhaps, that substance dualism will look > "very probable" in our neighborhood. > > Bruno > > > > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:51:50 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Roger, >>>> >>>> To say that a connection is based on logic is a category error. >>>> >>>> More specifically, >>>> I conjecture that the connection in the brain between the physical brain >>>> and the (computational?) mind/monads is based on BEC entanglement. >>>> BEC stands for Bose-Einstein Condensate. >>>> >>>> It has been demonstrated experimentally that BECs made of different >>>> substances >>>> can become entangled. I claim based on string theory that the monads >>>> are a BEC since they came from space. They are compactified space, >>>> crystalline in form and essentially motionless. Presumably there is >>>> also a physical BEC in the brain. >>>> >>>> So if my conjecture is correct, that disparate BECs, even the monad >>>> BEC is substantive, >>>> are capable of entanglement, which of course is all logical, then the >>>> connection is based on entanglement. To say that a connection is based >>>> on logic is a category error. >>>> Richard >>>> >>> >>> What advantage does a BEC explanation really have over substance dualism >>> though? How dies it solve the hard problem? Why do BECs experience things >>> and nothing else does? >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/kEWP_Mi0G4IJ. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
