Bruno: BEC are Turing emulable, so you can't get substance dualism,

Richard: Please explain why not.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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> On 10 Oct 2012, at 18:47, Richard Ruquist wrote:
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>> Craig,
>>
>> I claim that a connection is needed in substance dualism between the
>> substance of the mind and the substance of the brain. That is, if
>> consciousness resides in a BEC in the brain and also in the mind, then
>> the two can become entangled and essentially be copies of each other.
>> So the BEC connection mechanism supports substance dualism.
>>
>> Substance dualism then solves the hard problem using string theory
>> monads..
>>
>> For example take the binding problem where:
>> "There  are  an  almost  infinite  number  of  possible, different
>> objects we are capable of seeing,  There  cannot  be  a  single
>> neuron,  often  referred  to  as  a  grandmother  cell,  for  each
>> one." (http://papers.klab.caltech.edu/22/1/148.pdf)
>> However, at a density of 10^90/cc
>> (from string theory; e.g., ST Yau, The Shape of Inner Space),
>> the binding problem can be solved by configurations of monads for
>> "all different  values  of  depth,  motion,  color, and  spatial
>> location"
>> ever sensed. (I have a model that backs this up:
>>
>> http://yanniru.blogspot.com/2012/04/implications-of-conjectured-megaverse.html)
>>
>> So the monads and the neurons experience the same things
>> because of the BEC entanglement connection.
>> These experiences are stored physically in short-term memory
>> that Crick and Kock claim is essential to physical consciousness
>> and the experiences in my model are also stored in the monads
>> perhaps to solve the binding problem
>> and at least for computational support of physical consciousness.
>> Richard
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>
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> BEC are Turing emulable, so you can't get substance dualism, only, by making
> the level that low, you can get, perhaps, that substance dualism will look
> "very probable" in our neighborhood.
>
> Bruno
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>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:51:50 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> Roger,
>>>>
>>>> To say that a connection is based on logic is a category error.
>>>>
>>>> More specifically,
>>>> I conjecture that the connection in the brain between the physical brain
>>>> and the (computational?) mind/monads is based on BEC entanglement.
>>>> BEC stands for Bose-Einstein Condensate.
>>>>
>>>> It has been demonstrated experimentally that BECs made of different
>>>> substances
>>>> can become entangled. I claim based on string theory that the monads
>>>> are a BEC since they came from space. They are compactified space,
>>>> crystalline in form and essentially motionless. Presumably there is
>>>> also a physical BEC in the brain.
>>>>
>>>> So if my conjecture is correct, that disparate BECs, even the monad
>>>> BEC is substantive,
>>>> are capable of entanglement, which of course is all logical, then the
>>>> connection is based on entanglement. To say that a connection is based
>>>> on logic is a category error.
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>
>>> What advantage does a BEC explanation really have over substance dualism
>>> though? How dies it solve the hard problem? Why do BECs experience things
>>> and nothing else does?
>>>
>>> Craig
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