2012/10/17 Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net> > On 10/17/2012 4:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> Life may support mathematics. >> > Hi Alberto, > > OK, we can think of Life, in a very abstract sense, as the generator > of variety and pattern, so that might work. This makes Life = God! > > > > Life is a computation devoted to making guesses about the future in order >> to self preserve . >> > > I would say that if the above stipulation is true, then this claim > applies to the individual "life forms" and not Life (the Form), no? > > yes

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> > This is only possible in a world where natural computers are possible: >> > > What other kind of computers could there be? Are we not part of the > natural world, Reality and thus Nature and thus what we make is "natural > computers"? I do not understand the word "artificial", I must tell you, it > seems oxymoronic! Why the Man v nature dichotomy? This seems a vestige of > the doctrine of "The Fall" within Abrahamic religions. ... > > Natural computers are the living beings, that maintain homeostasis (internal entropy) . artificial computers simply help to maintain the entropy/homeostasis of the social being from which we are a part. (by driving a robotic factory that produce car pieces for example). So they are a very concrete part of a concrete natural computer. A company can be a living being considered at some level. Therefore it is a natural computer. A PC in the company is a part of it. > > > in a world where the phisical laws have a mathematical nature. >> > > Kinda redundant, no? If the physical laws are not capable of being > represented by mathematics, what would they be? Patternless chaos in > randomness? > > A bit redundant, yes. But I can imagine some weird laws. In fact, computability impose restrictions to the macroscopical laws: they have to be continuous, smooth, irreversible (increase entropy) and local (distant objects must affect less to predictions than nearest ones). > > Instead of comp creating a mathematical-phisical reality, is the >> mathematical reality what creates the computations in which we live. >> > > Those two semi-sentences seem equivalent to me... > > Not really, from my point of view, natural computers are made of or ordinary matter, which has a mathematical nature. This does not pressupose a computational nature of reality, but a mathematical one But this mathematical nature is a prerequisite for computations, some of which are minds. Bruno postulate that the mind is a product of computations and reality a product of the mind therefore computation is at the root of everithing. I say that computation mind and math are mutually necessary > > So all kind of arbitrary universes may exist, but only (some) >> mathematical ones can harbour self preserving computations, that is, >> observers. >> > > Sure, all universes that have patterns that repeat more than once. But > do we even need to stipulate universes that don't contain observers? Or are > you considering only anthropomorphic observers: observers that can create > elaborate narratives and/or even confabulations to each other? > > Here a definition of existence is necessary. I donĀ“t know why people take for granted that existence is a predefined world. The definition of existence is at the root of everything > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.