On 17 Oct 2012, at 10:12, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

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Life may support mathematics.

Arithmetic may support life. It is full of life and dreams.

Life is a computation devoted to making guesses about the future inorder to self preserve . This is only possible in a world wherenatural computers are possible: in a world where the phisical lawshave a mathematical nature. Instead of comp creating a mathematical-phisical reality, is the mathematical reality what creates thecomputations in which we live.So all kind of arbitrary universes may exist, but only (some)mathematical ones can harbour self preserving computations, that is,observers.

`OK. But harboring self-preserving computation is not enough, it must`

`do in a first person measure winning way on all computations going`

`through our state. That's nice as this explain that your idea of`

`evolution needs to be extended up to the origin of the physical laws.`

Mathematics is just a collection of representations that areinternally logically consistent (note that the total mathematicaluniverse is not a single consistent set!), so outside of that whatis there? Comp is a mathematical model, its "support" outside ofmath remains to be seen.

`Comp, is a bet involving the physical world, and the first person`

`subject. But by its very nature, it leads to doubt the necessity to`

`bet about something outside of a tiny part of arithmetic, for the`

`ontology, as the "inside view" will already explode in a non`

`mathematically unboundable way.`

`You need only the Turing universal reality. It is not important to`

`choose numbers, or lambda terms, or combinators, or the game of life`

`pattern, as they all lead to the same couplings consciousness/realities.`

`The arithmetical reality escapes the computable reality, but the`

`computed beings are confronted to both the computable and the non`

`computable, and a complete transfinite ladder of surprises.`

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