On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:51, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> Stephan, >> If the compact manifolds of string theory are all different and >> distinct (as I claim in my paper from observations of a variable fine >> structure constant across the universe), then the manifolds should >> form a Stone space if each manifold instantly maps all the others into >> itself, my (BEC physics) conjecture, but also a Buddhist belief- >> Indra's Pearls. >> >> If so, youall may be working on implications of string theory- like >> consciousness. >> >> However, in my paper I claim that a 'leap of faith' is necessary to go >> from incompleteness to consciousness (C). Would you agree? Bruno says >> C emerges naturally from comp. > > > More precisely, I say that consciousness and matter emerges from elementary > arithmetic, *once* you bet on comp, that is the idea that the brain or the > body can be Turing emulated at some right level so that you would remain > conscious. > > Bruno >
And of course what I am hoping as a physicist rather than a mathematician or logician is that the compact manifolds may be the basis of the elementary arithmetic from which spacetime, matter (ie., strings) and consciousness emerge. However, I do not understand what it means "to bet on comp". Does the whole shebang collapse if brains do not exist? Richard > > >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Stephen P. King <[email protected]> >> Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:54 AM >> Subject: Re: Leibniz: Reality as Dust >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> On 11/8/2012 6:19 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi Stephen P. King >> >> Time and space don't exist as substances so >> they don't influence the monads, which as you say >> are eternal. Further, there is no "substance space". >> So the monads are not organized in any way. >> The monads can be thought of as a collection >> of an infinite number of mathematical points. >> >>> From dust we come and to dust we shall return. >> >> >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> The absolute disconnection of the monads is what makes them a >> 'dust'. This is exactly what is a Stone space - the dual to a Boolean >> algebra. ;-) The idea is that any one monad has as its image of other >> monads the vision of a mathematical point. This fits the idea of that >> the classical universe is "atoms in a void" as taught by Democritus. >> http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec1.html >> >> What Craig and I are proposing is to add time to this idea. The >> evolution of the dust from one configuration to another is the arrow >> of time. Switching to the dual, we see teh evolution of Boolean >> algebras, whose arrow is the entailment of one state by all previous >> states. These two arrows face in opposite directions >> >> ... A => A' Stone space >> | | >> ....A*<=A*' Boolean algebra >> >> The duals aspects of each monad evolve in opposite directions. >> >> >> Roger Clough, [email protected] >> 11/8/2012 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Stephen P. King >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2012-11-07, 19:01:19 >> Subject: Re: Communicability >> >> >> On 11/7/2012 11:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi Stephen P. King >> >> That sounds like Leibniz. Each monad contains the >> views of all of the other monads in order to see >> the whole, not from just one perspective. >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> Yes, and that is why I like the idea of a Monad. I just don't agree >> with Leibniz' theory of how they are organized. Leibniz demanded that >> their organization is imposed ab initio, he assumed that there is a >> special beginning of time. I see the monads as eternal, never created >> nor destroyed, and their mutual relationships are merely the >> co-occurence of their perspectives. This makes God's creativity to be an >> eternal action and not a special one time action. >> >> >> Roger Clough, [email protected] >> 11/7/2012 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Stephen P. King >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2012-11-06, 18:17:30 >> Subject: Re: Communicability >> >> >> On 11/6/2012 11:11 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> What happens if I mistake a statue of a beautiful woman >> for the real thing, thus turning, eg, a statue of pygmalion into an >> actual woman ? >> >> Or mistake fool's gold or gold foiled chocolates >> for actual gold coins ? >> >> Does the world actually become cloudy if I have cataracts ? >> >> It is not just about you. It is about the huge number of observers. What >> matters is that they can communicate with each other and mutually >> confirm what is "real". 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