2012/11/8 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> > On 11/8/2012 1:14 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2012/11/8 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> > >> On 11/8/2012 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 07 Nov 2012, at 19:25, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 11/7/2012 7:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> How can you be in two places at once ? >> >> >> Your soul, or 1p-you, cannot. >> >> >> A viewpoint implies a certain place, but I don't see that one can only be >> conscious of one place at a time. Consider the operator in Florida who is >> operating a drone over Afghanistan. His consciousness is aware of both >> places at once. >> >> >> OK, and with the TV or the net, in that sense most of us are aware of >> many places at once, but not in a sense relevant for the 1-indeterminacy >> question, I think. >> >> >> But I think it could be. If the drone pilot were in a more immersive >> simulation he might just shift his attention from Afgahnistan to Florida >> the same as shifting your attention from your desk to your monitor. While >> his body would have a definite location, his consciousness would not. >> >> > As you point yourself by using the words "shifting your attention", the > conscionsness still has a definite location depending on where the > attention of the drone pilot is. He is either focusing on the Afgahnistan > environment or Florida, not both, at no moments he feels to be at two > places at once (I can't imagine what it could be). > > > Yes, that's the way our minds model the world. But then the question is > where are you when you close your eyes and think about your childhood or a > math problem. So if 'you' can only be one place at a time, that's just a > characteristic of how you think - it's not equivalent to the fact that a > macroscopic object (like you body) can only be one place at a time. If > thinking is computation there is no reason that thoughts could not included > awareness of being two places at once (like the Borg); >
Consciousness is awareness and feelings... Maybe it's a limitation of my way of thinking, but I can't see it remotely possible to feel to be in two bodies at once, doing two tasks at once. I can only consciously focus at any moment on one thing, that does not preclude fast switching of attention or back and forth attention, but at any time I feel to be one and only one. When I talks about definite location, it's not about location in time and space, but the feeling of wholeness. Quentin > something that is approximately realized by the drone pilot. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.