On 09 Nov 2012, at 22:52, John Clark wrote:

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

>> Or? OR?!! Bruno Marchal just said the Helsinki man will survive in two examples, in M AND in W"; and now Bruno Marchal is asking if the Helsinki man will survive in M OR W. It makes no sense!

>  Confusion between 1-view and 3-view.

You said the Helsinki man will survive in two examples, in M AND in W.

This follows from the comp assumption.




and then ask if the Helsinki man will survive in M OR W; so who's the one that's really confused around here?

Read the precise sentence. I ask to the guy in Helsinki how he evaluates the chance to feel to be the one in Moscow. He will push on a button, and he already know that whoever he will feel to be, he will feel to be in only on city, so it is normal he has to evaluate his chance, as he knows that he will certainly not feel being in both city at once (always assuming comp).

To say "W and M" is a correct (with comp) 3-view of the 1-views, but the question is about the future 1-view as seen by the 1-view.

Bruno




> > The Moscow man can see a continuous trajectory from being the Helsinki man to now being the Moscow man and the same is true of the Washington man, so the Helsinki man has obviously been duplicate
> But not his first person perspective.

PRONOUNS SUCK! Who the hell does "his" refer to? For that matter what exactly is the Helsinki man? You said " the body read in Helsinki is annihilated", I think the man still exists in Washington and Moscow and I thought you did too but apparently not because of various peeing issues you are unable to communicate coherently. You were not satisfied with the testimony of either the Washington or Moscow man and don't want to hear what they have to say, you want to know about "his first person perspective". Nobody is experiencing Helsinki anymore so I repeat my question, who is "his"? After this experiment is concluded who's testimony would convince you that you have received correct infirmation about "his first person perspective"?

> Define "bruno marchal", and "john Clark".

First define "define".

> The 3-I is well known to be definable by the Dx = "xx" trick,

I have to inform you that "the Dx = "xx" trick" is NOT well known to me and I don't know what you're talking about.

>> So what's the problem?

> To evaluate your chance, in helsinki, to later feel to be the W or the M man after the duplication is done

PRONOUNS SUCK!!

> You forget to mention that the question was: where will you feel.

You forgot to mention where who will feel.

> You can do the thought experiment in a setting where in Helsinki you take some drug so that you become amnesic, and don't know more who you are.

That's 4 yous in just 28 words, a new record.  PRONOUNS SUCK!!

> ?

!

  John K Clark

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