On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Brent Meeker appreciates John Clark's concern with pronouns. > John Clark is happy to read that but is somewhat skeptical it is true. > I think it needs to put in the context of QM, which is what Bruno is > proposing to explain. Suppose Bruno is Helsinki and he steps in a > transporter and it sends him to Washington. As John Clark has said people just can not help themselves, in order to express vague flabby philosophical ideas personal pronouns simply must be used to hide their vacuous nature at their heart. John Clark is going to rephrase the above by excising the cancerous pronouns "suppose Bruno is in Helsinki and Bruno steps into a transporter and it sends Bruno to Washington". Already much of the mystery is gone and things are much clearer, but there is still ambiguity about the nature of the transporter. If the transporter is a airplane then when Bruno goes to Washington Bruno is no longer in Helsinki, however if the transporter is a duplicating machine then when Bruno goes to Washington Bruno remains in Helsinki. > That Bruno, Bruno_w goes back to Helsinki, gets in the transporter again > and it sends him to Moscow. That Bruno_wm goes back to Helsinki and repeats > this process many times. Eventually Bruno_wmwwmwmmmww...mwm concludes that > the transporter seems to be random and just sends him to Washington or > Moscow at random with probability 1/2. > Brent Meeker just said that the machine would send Bruno to Washington AND Moscow many times, and then in the very next sentence Brent Meeker says that the machine would send Bruno to Washington OR Moscow; and if Bruno had seen wmwwmwmmmww...mwm then Bruno has certainly seen Washington AND Moscow. Of course this absurdity can be covered up, and that's where personal pronouns come in, although John Clark thinks the disguise doesn't work very well, lipstick can't brink a corpse back to life and personal pronouns can't give focus to bad ideas. And John Clark is confused about what direction Brent Meeker believes one should look to understand this issue, from the present to the past or from the present to the future. John Clark believes that the important thing is that no matter how many iterations are done all those Bruno's remember being Bruno in Helsinki long before Bruno had even seen a duplicating chamber, and that's why all of them, although different from each other, are all equally Bruno. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.