Hi Craig Weinberg 

Ultimately we can arrive at a better society,
but ultimately we will all be broke. Look
at europe. 


[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/16/2012 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

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On Saturday, December 15, 2012 3:44:46 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/15/2012 2:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:


On Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:29:50 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: 
On 12/15/2012 1:51 PM, Roger Clough wrote: 
> How about this: 
> Liberals are utopians, conservatives are skeptical of them. 

Dear Roger, 

No, All that is different between them is where their respective utopias 
lie. Liberals yearn for a future utopia on Earth, conservatives pine 
over their utopia in the past. 


I would agree with that, but the thing is, the former may or may not be 
possible but the latter is certainly impossible. What is there better to do 
than to try to push civilization in the direction of a future utopia? What 
could be more destructive and foolish than to try to undo what has happened and 
put future back in a box?

Craig

Hi Craig,

    How about we drop the entire idea of utopias and work together to solve the 
problems that we have with the tools that we know work (as they have worked 
before in similar situations). 

That is what Progressive politics is all about. That is how you move toward a 
better society. I have never heard them use the word utopia or perfect society 
though.

 

"Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes" or 
some such...



 That's what I'm saying. Hanging on to slavery, apartheid, colonialism, etc was 
a mistake. 

Craig


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