On Sunday, December 16, 2012 1:55:07 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>  On 12/16/2012 12:48 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>      Yeah, but we happen to be siting in the 21st century using the 
>> knowledge that has accumulated by science and so forth to pass judgement on 
>> people that did not have our current capacity and we can claim to not be 
>> bigoted? NO!
> Who said anything about us not being bigoted? That doesn't mean that 
> conservatives were right on slavery, or Civil Rights, or Women's Suffrage, 
> or the Cold War, or McCarthyism, or Vietnam, or the War on Drugs, or 
> Trickle Down economics...I am hard pressed to find a single example of 
> Conservative policies that were not ugly and prejudiced failures which were 
> subsequently exposed as worthless and swept under the carpet eventually. 
> Even trying to factor in my presumed bias - and some extra to cover my 
> unpresumed bias...what country in the world today is an example of the 
> success of Conservatism? What policy works? I'm sure that there must be 
> some. What are they?
> Hi,
>     Try this. Consider a number of cities in the US that have been 
> governed by predominantly Progressive policies and compare then, apples to 
> apples, to a number cities that have been governed Conservatively with one 
> stipulation: that Progressive policies are those that Progressives are in 
> fact in favor of and Conservative Policies are those that are defined by 
> Conservative people and decide for yourself which kind of city you with to 
> life in. If we allow one side to define the terms of the argument, who is 
> going to win the argument? 

I wouldn't know which cities have been governed which way or what the 
differences are. There are big expensive cities and not as big, not as 
expensive cities. Otherwise I don't see much difference in quality of life 
in US cities, certainly none that I could attribute to any particular 
leadership slant. I have not been to Houston but if I had to guess I would 
say that it has developed under more consistently conservative politics 
than San Francisco. I would choose to live in San Francisco if I could 
afford it - but I can't because it is one of the most desirable real estate 
markets in the world.

>     How does one overcome the problem of a insufficient 
> sample<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization>in StatMech?
>     I don't wish to make decisions or reason for you.

Is there a sufficient sample to look at?

>>      Are we to accept the indictment of our possible ancestors for crimes 
>> that they may have committed to cast a shadow on our lives? Really? 
> It's not a matter of placing blame. Again - anyone in their place would 
> likely have done the same thing. The issue is how to move forward given the 
> inevitable consequences of what happened up to this point.
>> What choice did you or I have in the nature and behavior of our 
>> respective possible ancestors? I had just as much choice as I have of the 
>> color of the skin I was born with! So what does the "lottery of life" have 
>> to do with things?
> Aha, now you know how it might feel to be judged on the color of your skin 
> or your sexual orientation.
>     OK. I rest my case.

OK. Time for breakfast!

> -- 
> Onward!
> Stephen

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