On Sunday, December 16, 2012 1:55:07 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/16/2012 12:48 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Yeah, but we happen to be siting in the 21st century using the >> knowledge that has accumulated by science and so forth to pass judgement on >> people that did not have our current capacity and we can claim to not be >> bigoted? NO! >> > > Who said anything about us not being bigoted? That doesn't mean that > conservatives were right on slavery, or Civil Rights, or Women's Suffrage, > or the Cold War, or McCarthyism, or Vietnam, or the War on Drugs, or > Trickle Down economics...I am hard pressed to find a single example of > Conservative policies that were not ugly and prejudiced failures which were > subsequently exposed as worthless and swept under the carpet eventually. > Even trying to factor in my presumed bias - and some extra to cover my > unpresumed bias...what country in the world today is an example of the > success of Conservatism? What policy works? I'm sure that there must be > some. What are they? > > Hi, > > Try this. Consider a number of cities in the US that have been > governed by predominantly Progressive policies and compare then, apples to > apples, to a number cities that have been governed Conservatively with one > stipulation: that Progressive policies are those that Progressives are in > fact in favor of and Conservative Policies are those that are defined by > Conservative people and decide for yourself which kind of city you with to > life in. If we allow one side to define the terms of the argument, who is > going to win the argument? >
I wouldn't know which cities have been governed which way or what the differences are. There are big expensive cities and not as big, not as expensive cities. Otherwise I don't see much difference in quality of life in US cities, certainly none that I could attribute to any particular leadership slant. I have not been to Houston but if I had to guess I would say that it has developed under more consistently conservative politics than San Francisco. I would choose to live in San Francisco if I could afford it - but I can't because it is one of the most desirable real estate markets in the world. > How does one overcome the problem of a insufficient > sample<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization>in StatMech? > > I don't wish to make decisions or reason for you. > Is there a sufficient sample to look at? > > > >> Are we to accept the indictment of our possible ancestors for crimes >> that they may have committed to cast a shadow on our lives? Really? >> > > It's not a matter of placing blame. Again - anyone in their place would > likely have done the same thing. The issue is how to move forward given the > inevitable consequences of what happened up to this point. > > >> What choice did you or I have in the nature and behavior of our >> respective possible ancestors? I had just as much choice as I have of the >> color of the skin I was born with! So what does the "lottery of life" have >> to do with things? >> > > Aha, now you know how it might feel to be judged on the color of your skin > or your sexual orientation. > > > > OK. I rest my case. > OK. Time for breakfast! > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/Q5gzbgAyUOkJ. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.