On Sunday, December 16, 2012 3:19:54 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > The assumption here is that Oliver Stone is presenting verifiable history, > rather then his own, Neo-marxist "Theory" of history. That the Third World > (an invented word of the Left) is deserving of deep respect, and is > presumed blameless in all things, as well. I notice the avoidance of > blaming Islamists for jihad actions in the world, or do you feel we should > have sued the Afghan government in the Hague, rather then invade? Secondly, > in Afghanistan, should we have allowed the Soviets to remain unchallenged > during their involvement there? Another element of the neo-Marxist is to > avoid speaking to Soviet actions in the world that was. >
It just depends what we want to do. If we want to try to be the last empire on Earth, then we should continue lying, cheating, and bombing the most territories that we can into submission and hold on to it as long as we can. If we do that, the current trend of degradation and corruption will likely be amplified and we will go the way of all failed civilizations. If we took another route and rolled back the empire, then we would have a lot of intense social dislocation and readjustment but ultimately maybe have a chance of joining the rest of the world as an equal partner nation. If you know of anything that Stone is presenting that is false I would be interested in hearing what that is. While he is obviously presenting his narrative of what happened, he makes no secret of it. I don't think that any of the events he depicts are in dispute. I will say that he de-emphasizes the transgressions which do not support his narrative, but it is ridiculous to say that these Neolithic-hut dwelling people did something to deserve being invaded and destabilized by American black ops. Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > To: everything-list <everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> > Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 3:05 pm > Subject: Re: Progressives and social darwinism > > > > On Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:47:54 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> On 12/16/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 12/15/2012 10:20 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> I guess preventing women from learning to read is good in Afghanistan, >> even though it's bad here. So it's rational when you agree with the >> conclusion and rationalization when you don't. >> >> Brent >> >> >> No, it is not! Where are people in power in the US preventing women >> from learning to read in the US? What "Power" is needs to be precisely >> defined. Arguments from unreal hypotheticals are always fallacious. >> >> >> What hypothetical?? Women ARE prevented from learning to read in >> Afghanistan and we DO think it would be a bad thing to keep women from >> learning to read here. >> >> Brent >> -- >> >> >> Is the average US citizen the cause of the actions of the average >> Teleban member in Afghanistan? What is the relation between some activity >> in Afghanistan and in "somewhere we are". This is an equivocation, thus a >> rubbish argument. >> > > Eh, there is a direct relation. After WW.II, The US and other world powers > have been playing Chess with the Third World. Toppling democracies, > installing puppet regimes. That's pretty much the CIAs function. The actual > history is interesting.. the Oliver Stone series on Showtime right now is > pretty informative. Why were we messing with the governments if Iran, > Guatemala, Indonesia, Vietnam, Congo, Afghanistan? Why did the average > citizens of those countries pose a threat to the oil companies and > agribusiness? > > Craig > > >> -- >> Onward! >> >> Stephen >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/LAjAocngmYgJ. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/UbNn8FxTdhkJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
