On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Bruno Marchal > > It all boils down to this: is something that is mathematically true > necessarily physically true ? > This question can be restated as "are mathematical truth and pragmatic > truth > the same ?" IMHO No, because theory can be wrong but what works works. > > > Dear Roger, What's wrong with: Theory always works (in some mind, no matter truth) and pragmatism can be used to justify or conceal discrimination, violence, false problems and examples like US style conservative rhetoric that pretends to be Christian, with its elements of compassion, love thy neighbor, share your wealth, anti-materialism etc. but in fact is pushing for policies that deny health to weak/poor, consolidate power and horde wealth, and promote the myth of people as isolated Islands, defending only their own interests, implying some Citizen Kane ideal, that everybody should aspire to? It's a rather transparent trick for this rhetoric to mask its anti-Christian individualism with the Christian cloak of truth, faith, piety, charity, and probity; while "pragmatically" reasoning to themselves that it's advantageous to pose with the moral authority of ruling Christian dogma + liberty of individual, freedom from tyrannical forces. For this reason, this form of "Christian-conservative rhetoric" is not an expression of liberty; it's more an instrument of control to stop people from entering political process via distraction and shared moral indignation at "what's wrong". I do not buy anymore "left vs. right" as ecology and energy problems make resource management much more complex and freedom/monitoring of internet activity enters the picture to which both Adam Smith and Marx/Engels were mute... but I do know that, if anything, Jesus was a socialist or communist. Hence, the above mentioned nonsense of rhetoric framing conservative Christians as guardians of faith, piety, probity, and charity, while they horde their wealth and complain about higher taxes is merely noise to me. People parrots. Single function machine. Of course it "works", as you say, as anything does when you allow this kind of blatant contradiction. But it still is bs. Ironically, the "atheist left" fights for Christian (New Testament) ideals... damn heathens! So the heathens will be judged, for doing Jesus' work without believing in him; and the "right" will be judged for pretending to believe in him, but for pragmatism sake they do devil's job รก la "I am God, my wealth, myself and I won't share or show solidarity with people in need, because it's their fault in my final judgement of them, even though only God can judge, for practical reason because I cannot see him, I will judge them when I vote." This disparity, the blatant fundamental contradiction in both camps, is quite hilarious I must admit, even though it's stupid how many have to suffer because of policy decisions based on this charade, and how much cash is wasted in keeping these narratives alive. Pragmatism has a coarser bs filter than arithmetic truth, anywhere in the multiverse I'd guess. PGC > [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > 12/26/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Bruno Marchal > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-26, 05:30:24 > Subject: Re: Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
