Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy  

Pragmatism is does not provide truth in, say a Platonic or Aristotelian sense. 
It only provides truth as pragmatists define truth: namely that if A causes B, 
B is the truth of A. This is the same as scientific truth or experimental 
truth. 


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12/26/2012  
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Roger Clough  wrote: 

Hi Bruno Marchal 

It all boils down to this: is something that is mathematically true necessarily 
physically true ? 
This question can be restated as "are mathematical truth and pragmatic truth 
the same ?" ?MHO No, because theory can be wrong but what works works. 




Dear Roger, 

What's wrong with:  

Theory always works (in some mind, no matter truth) and pragmatism can be used 
to justify or conceal discrimination, violence, false problems and examples 
like US style conservative rhetoric that pretends to be Christian, with its 
elements of compassion, love thy neighbor, share your wealth, anti-materialism 
etc. but in fact is pushing for policies that deny health to weak/poor, 
consolidate power and horde wealth, and promote the myth of people as isolated 
Islands, defending only their own interests, implying some Citizen Kane ideal, 
that everybody should aspire to? 

It's a rather transparent trick for this rhetoric to mask its anti-Christian 
individualism with the Christian cloak of truth, faith, piety, charity, and 
probity; while "pragmatically" reasoning to themselves that it's advantageous 
to pose with the moral authority of ruling Christian dogma + liberty of 
individual, freedom from tyrannical forces. For this reason, this form of 
"Christian-conservative rhetoric" is not an expression of liberty; it's more an 
instrument of control to stop people from entering political process via 
distraction and shared moral indignation at "what's wrong". 

I do not buy anymore "left vs. right" as ecology and energy problems make 
resource management much more complex and freedom/monitoring of internet 
activity enters the picture to which both Adam Smith and Marx/Engels were 
mute... but I do know that, if anything, Jesus was a socialist or communist.  

Hence, the above mentioned nonsense of rhetoric framing conservative Christians 
as guardians of faith, piety, probity, and charity, while they horde their 
wealth and complain about higher taxes is merely noise to me. People parrots. 
Single function machine. Of course it "works", as you say, as anything does 
when you allow this kind of blatant contradiction. But it still is bs. 

Ironically, the "atheist left" fights for Christian (New Testament) ideals... 
damn heathens! So the heathens will be judged, for doing Jesus' work without 
believing in him; and the "right" will be judged for pretending to believe in 
him, but for pragmatism sake they do devil's job ? la "I am God, my wealth, 
myself and I won't share or show solidarity with people in need, because it's 
their fault in my final judgement of them, even though only God can judge, for 
practical reason because I cannot see him, I will judge them when I vote." 

This disparity, the blatant fundamental contradiction in both camps, is quite 
hilarious I must admit, even though it's stupid how many have to suffer because 
of policy decisions based on this charade, and how much cash is wasted in 
keeping these narratives alive. Pragmatism has a coarser bs filter than 
arithmetic truth, anywhere in the multiverse I'd guess. 

PGC 


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[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 
12/26/2012 

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