On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:53:56 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
>
>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
>  
> Tsunamis and other forces of nature are themselves amoral*, but
> their effects can be good (enhance life) or evil (diminish life).
>

Are you saying that God is powerless to change nature?
 

>  
> *Since God causes everything to happen, he also, although
> reluctantly (the theological term is God's "permissive will")
> mustl cause evil to happen as well. "I cause the rain to
> fall on just as well as the unjust" says the Bible.
> Crap happens. At the same time, the Bible teaches us 
> to appeal to God to "deliver us from evil."
>

If appealing to God doesn't deliver you from tsunamis, why bother?
 

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>  
> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] <javascript:>
> 1/3/2013 
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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> *Time:* 2013-01-02, 16:06:10
> *Subject:* Re: The evolution of good and evil
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>  
>
> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: 
>>
>> On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: 
>>>
>>> On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chemotherapy Good or Evil?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Better than nothing for most people having some disease.
>>>> Worst than THC injection, plausibly for the same group of people.
>>>>
>>>> Here the Evil is only in the fact that minorities hides information 
>>>> from the majority, and this for the minority's interests.
>>>> This leads to harmful consequences for the majority.
>>>>
>>>> Bruno
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was thinking more of how chemotherapy is ambiguous as far as it being 
>>> something which can enhance life by inevitably diminishing it, but sure, 
>>> the politics of it is an issue also.
>>>
>>> If I had to get into a definition of good and evil I would go more 
>>> toward a political direction - senseless inequality of power tends to lead 
>>> to corruption and crime. Crime and corruption tends to lead to scapegoating 
>>> or a misuse of sense. The combination of corrupt actions and distortion of 
>>> truth to cover them up is probably as close to evil as I can think of.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anything that causes great net suffering of people can be considered 
>>> evil: cancer, small pox, AIDS, tsunamis,...  I see no reason to limit it to 
>>> social/political causes.
>>>
>>  
>> Do you think that viruses and tsunamis are well served by the label 
>> 'Evil'?
>>
>>
>> ?? I'm not interested in serving them.
>>
>
> Obviously. I meant 'Do you think that it serves us to label natural 
> phenomena outside of our control as Evil'?
>  
>
>>   Values are human values and each person has his own - although there is 
>> a lot of consistency.  I think society and individuals are well served by 
>> labeling some viruses and tsunamis as 'evil' because that means we should 
>> cooperate to mitigate them.  And in fact we have: We eliminated small pox.  
>> We created a tsunami warning system.  Actions I count as good.
>>
>
> The action of mitigating damage is good, just as the intentional neglect 
> of such actions are evil, but the non-human cause of the damage is neither 
> good nor evil. If you get an electric shock, it does not mean that voltage 
> is evil.
>
> Craig
>
>  
>> Brent
>> Unfortunately it is the prerogative of evil that to seem so is to
>> be so.
>>       --- Bertrand Russell
>>
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