On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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> On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote:
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>> Hi Bruno Marchal
>>
>> Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.
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>
> Not necessarily. The modern notion of God comes with the platonist, and was
> almost a synonym with "truth". There was an implicit, but reasonable
> assumption, that humans search truth. Atheism has arised by reaction to
> *imposed* notion of God, and, unfortunately, throws the "theology" baby with
> the clerical bath water.
> Before, God was a scientific hypothesis, more or less equivalent with the
> idea that there is a reality which transcend us.

Agreed but your next statement is too restrictive in my opinion unless
you mean experimental proof. For sure there is arithmetic proof that
goes beyond experimental proof in scope.
Richard

>By definition it cannot be
> proved to exist, not even named. Exactly like "arithmetical truth" has to
> appear for any sound machine.
>
> Bruno
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>>
>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>> 1/8/2013
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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>> Time: 2013-01-08, 09:52:18
>> Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself.
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>> On 07 Jan 2013, at 19:47, John Clark wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013   wrote:
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>>> Consider God, a word for Mind
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>>
>> OK, I have a mind therefore I am God.
>>
>> I said it before I'll say it again, for some strange reason that is
>> unknown to me many people are willing to abandon the idea of God but not the
>> word G-O-D. Those letters and in that sequence (DOG just will not do) MUST
>> be preserved and it doesn't matter what it means.
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>> GOD means the reality in which you believe. It is, imo, a bit more neutral
>> than "Universe", which is the third Aristotelian God, and which does not
>> belong to what constitutes the "being" for the Platonist. Since about 1500
>> years, the term "God" has acquired many christian cultural colors, but there
>> is no reason to identify God with the God-father of Christian "theory". God
>> has no name, in many theologies, so all terms to designate it can only be a
>> fuzzy pointer. Tao is not bad, as it has many similar qualities than the
>> abramanic god, but with a less "person" feature. I use the term God to
>> designate whatever transcend us and is responsible for our existence. With
>> comp, I am open to the idea that (arithmetical) truth can play that role,
>> and this is exploited in the arithmetical interpretation of Plotinus
>> 'neoplatonism'.
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>>
>> Bruno
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