Yes, Roger. They come with 500 topo holes thru which super EM flux winds. Given perhaps 6 quantum states for the flux, there are 6^500 different types of monads. Richard
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Due to their universal perceptions, monads should be extremely complex. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/11/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Craig Weinberg > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-11, 08:07:47 > Subject: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains > viaacomputer > > > > > On Friday, January 11, 2013 12:27:54 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > On 1/10/2013 9:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex (and > use whatever definitions of "intelligent" and "complex" you want). > > > > A thermostat is much less complex than a human brain but intelligent under my > definition. > > But much less intelligent. So in effect you think there is a degree of > intelligence in everything, just like you believe there's a degree of > consciousness in everything. And the degree of intelligence correlates with > the degree of complexity ...but you don't think the same about consciousness? > > Brent > > > I was thinking today that a decent way of defining intelligence is just 'The > ability to know "what's going on"'. > > This makes it clear that intelligence refers to the degree of sophistication > of awareness, not just complexity of function or structure. This is why a > computer which has complex function and structure has no authentic > intelligence and has no idea 'what's going on'. Intelligence however has > everything to do with sensitivity, integration, and mobilization of awareness > as an asset, i.e. to be directed for personal gain or shared enjoyment, > progress, etc. Knowing what's going on implicitly means caring what goes on, > which also supervenes on biological quality investment in experience. > > > Which is why I think an intelligent machine must be one that acts in its > environment. Simply 'being aware' or 'knowing' are meaningless without the > ability and motives to act on them. > > > Sense and motive are inseparable ontologically, although they can be > interleaved by level. A plant for instance has no need to act on the world to > the same degree as an organism which can move its location, but the cells > that make up the plant act to grow and direct it toward light, extend roots > to water and nutrients, etc. Ontologically however, there is no way to really > have awareness which matters without some participatory opportunity or > potential for that opportunity. > > The problem with a machine (any machine) is that at the level which is it a > machine, it has no way to participate. By definition a machine does whatever > it is designed to do. Anything that we use as a machine has to be made of > something which we can predict and control reliably, so that its > sensory-motive capacities are very limited by definition. Its range of > 'what's going on' has to be very narrow. The internet, for instance, passes a > tremendous number of events through electronic circuits, but the content of > all of it is entirely lost on it. We use the internet to increase our sense > and inform our motives, but its sense and motive does not increase at all. > > Craig > > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/pf0w53nZsoMJ. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.