Hi meekerdb  

Complexity need not have anything to do with intelligence. 
The critical requirement is autonomy of choice. 

[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen 
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Time: 2013-01-11, 14:20:13 
Subject: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains 

On 1/11/2013 2:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:  

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:33 AM, meekerdb  wrote: 

On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:  
Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex (and 
use whatever definitions of "intelligent" and "complex" you want). 

A thermostat is much less complex than a human brain but intelligent under my 

But much less intelligent.  

That's your conclusion, not mine. According to my definition you can only 
compare thermostats being good at being thermostats and Brents being good at 
being Brents. Because you can only compare intelligence against a same set of 
goals. Otherwise you're just saying that intelligence A is more complex than 
intelligence B. Human intelligence requires a certain level of complexity, 
bacteria intelligence another. That's all. 

So you've removed all meaning from intelligence.  Rocks are smart at being 
rocks, we just have to recognize their goal is be rocks. 

Maybe we can stop dancing around the question by referring to 
human-level-intelligence and then rephrasing the question as, "Do you think 
human-like-intelligence requires human-like-complexity?" 


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