On 11 Jan 2013, at 22:08, meekerdb wrote:

On 1/11/2013 11:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:


On 10 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Telmo Menezes wrote:




On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:

Hi Craig,

I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a brain, I do not believe in the neuroscience hypothesis that consciousness emerges from brain activity. I'm not sure I believe that there is a degree of consciousness in everything, but it sounds more plausible than the emergence from complexity idea.

Do you agree that intelligence requires complexity?

I'm not sure intelligence and complexity are two different things.

Hmm...

I have a theory of intelligence. It has strong defect, as it makes many things intelligent. But not everyone.

The machine X is intelligent, if it is not stupid.

And the machine X is stupid in two circumstances. Either she asserts that Y is intelligent, or she assert that Y is stupid. (Y can be equal to X).

So if X is smart she asserts Y is not intelligent or Y is not stupid. :-)

Lol. No problem, she can assert that, but the OR is necessarily non constructive (non intuitionist). It is indeed a way to say that she does not know.

Bruno




Brent


In that theory, a pebble is intelligent, as no one has ever heard a pebble asserting that some other pebble or whatever, is stupid, or is intelligent.

(that theory is almost only a identification of intelligence with consistency (Dt)).

Intelligence is needed to develop competences.

But competences can have a negative feedback on intelligence.

Bruno


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