On 1/17/2013 11:48 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/18/2013 12:48 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/17/2013 7:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/17/2013 7:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com
<mailto:agocor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You have to prove that the CO2 is the main ingredient of global warming.
Not me.
Ok. So Greenhouse effect is "alarmist fantasy" to you. This makes things
clearer.
But it is not. It is water vapor by orders of magnitude. And the water
vapor
concentration, and the clouds depends on cosmic rays, and cosmic rays
depend on
solar activity and the variation on the earth orbit. The hockey stick
(false) is
of temperatures. And temperatures are falling now, like were falling in the
70s.
The most likely evolution is towards a new ice age, as you can see clearly
in the
graphic.
CO2 do no predict increase of temperatures, it is just the contrary You can
verify that in the graphic. increase of temperature precedes CO2 increase.
This
is caused by the increased erosion or carbonate rocks in the litosphere and
the
liberation of CO2 by oceans when temperature raises. The causes of the
cycles
that you see in the graphic are due to the orbit of earth around the sun,
there
is no CO2 causation but the opposite. the correlation exist, but the
causation is
just the reverse to the promoted by the alarmists.
Natural sources of CO2 exceed the antropogenic production by orders of
magnitude.
a single eruption can produce more CO2 than the entire human population in
a year.
You're right in that it's naturally messy enough.
But so what? 313 ppm in 1960 to 390 ppm in 2010, with current measured amount of CO2
exceeding geological maximum values; I just don't see the logic of adding to this
mindlessly by burning more black stuff. I do see the plausibility of shooting for
long term energy solutions that add, burn, or otherwise muck around with the fragile
global ecology, our only home at the moment, less. And I'm open to all of it, hemp
prominently included, provided that we burn/waste less in the long run.
No final solutions. These problems will not leave, regardless of our capacity to deny
infinitely.
PGC
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PGC,
Your making a straw man argument, mate! Even if we stipulate as a fact that
"...current measured amount of CO2 exceeding geological maximum values", this does
nothing to force decisions such as how not to "muck around with the fragile global
ecology". It is the home of all of us, not jush some elite few that wish the rest us
us to stop breathing. I have read the papers of the alarmist with eyes wide open,
there is lots of discussion of how to "reduce populations"
I see no references to how, except to note that exponential growth can't continue
indefinitely and projected populations of 9 billion are probably impossible and absent
some other restraint will result in a lot of people starving. The recommendation seems to
be for providing birth-control and persuading people to use it.
and so forth. There is even chatter about "crimes against nature"
It's the title of a book by Robert Kennedy Jr, "Crimes Against Nature: How George W. Bush
and His Corporate Pals Are Plundering the Country and Hijacking Our Democracy"
tribunals for those that "deny the consensus science".
I searched both the websites you cite below for "tribunals", "crimes", and "consensus" and
got nothing except where "crimes" appears in the title.
The Bush administration and the GOP have certainly been engaged denying the consensus of
science on evolution and climate change.
Brent
How about some actual quotes and citations - lest we suspect you of creating a
straw man.
Brent
Try http://www.worldwatch.org/node/563 and
http://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Against-Nature-Corporate-Plundering/dp/B008SLYJ8C I really
don't have time to do what you should be doing for yourself.
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Onward!
Stephen
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