Hi meekerdb 

Yes, and science first thought that germs spontaneously
were generated like worms in decaying material. And
Aruistotle thought that there were celestial spheres.
And blood-letting was a healthy thing to do.

Etc. 
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On 1/24/2013 9:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 
All these things are part of the myths of modernity. The reality is quite 
different. The idea that the medievals though that the earth was flat is 
larguely a myth, 

"As to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say,
men on the opposite side of the earth where the sun rises
when it sets to us, men who walk with their feet opposite
ours, that is on no ground credible." 
      --- St. Augustine

To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous
as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin.
      --- Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615, letter to Paolo Frascioni


as true as the fact that now a fair amount of the people in the world believe 
that Man has not been in the Moon. Inquisition, for example, and the burning of 
withches was a phenomenon of the early modern age not from the middle age, 
where woman had quite more freedon,  


The Church punished heresy from the time it gained power.  Inquistions became 
formalized with the suppression of the Cathars in the 12th century (the 
medieval period by any reckoning)

Certainly, the pursuit of knowledge was obstructed by the Church as long as it 
had the power - not just in the medieval period. The Spanish Inquisition ended 
in 1834.  


The popular ideas about the medieval era are based in prejudices that are part 
of the essence of modernity, which has the need of the existence of a "dark 
age" (the "Middle Age") and a Golden age (The ancient age) for its existence. 
the mytical tree stages in history is part of this gnostic elaboration invented 
by Joachim de Fiore. Since them all ideological creations, including the modern 
division of history had three stages. 


And the Catholic Church has been trying to revise history ever since to conceal 
it's role in obstructing science, oppressing women, harboring pedophiles, and 
murdering jews.

Brent









2013/1/24 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>

On 1/24/2013 8:33 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: 
This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s.
After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was dispensed with,
and centuries of scientific progress were deemed sufficient for Islam
for all time. And so it seems that Islam went from world leadership in
science to where it is today.

Fortunately the same did not happen to the Christians. But based on
John's comments, I wonder why not.

But it did happen.  The Greeks already knew the Earth was a sphere, how far 
away and how big the Sun was.  They had a speculative idea of biological 
evolution.  They had the concept of atoms and how all matter might be 
constructed from just a few basic components in different combinations.  
Aristotle was an empiricist.  If it had not been for the early Church's 
emphasis on faith, dogma, and rationalism, science would be centuries more 
advanced.

Brent

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