On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > On 25 Jan 2013, at 17:22, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> Hi Telmo, >> >> >> On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Hi all, >>> >>> I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of >>> "oneness with the universe", "non separation", etc. >>> >>> Meditation is a process of quieting the mind. One could say reducing >>> it's complexity. Simpler states have more undistinguishable observer >>> moments. Could it be that what's happening is that the consciousness of the >>> successful meditator becomes identified with a larger set of states in the >>> multi-verse? >>> >>> Just the sketch of an idea, sorry for the lack of rigour. >>> >> >> It is a quite good insight. I think that something like that operates >> with dissociative substance (ketamine, salvinorin, ...). Apparently, they >> disconnect parts of the brain, so that the conscious part get its >> complexity reduced, and that might give a "view of the multiverse" (as in >> many salvia reports). >> >> The point of finding a (comp, or ensemble) TOE is when you get a theory >> rich enough (in universes/models), but not to much, for not becoming >> trivial. Then the point is that to get plural-realities, some >> probabilistic interference has to play a role in the elimination of some >> infinities. >> >> The relation is known in algebra (more equations, less solutions) and in >> logic (more axioms, less models). It is related with the Galois connection. >> > > For a long time I have this weird idea that I don't have the mathematica > sophistication to correctly express. The idea aplies to History, for > example. It's the notion that past event did not actually "happen" in the > common sense of the word, but are just valid solutions to a system of > equations that is restricted by current experience. So if we start doing > an archaeological exploration we are going to find objects that are > consistent with previous civilisations, but this is just a solution to the > system of equations that is consistent with present reality. > > > That's consistent with comp, I think. > > > > I'm not defending (not denying) this model of reality, but think it's an > interesting thought experiment. It puts the big bang in a new light: you're > just looking so far back in time that the simplest of solutions works -- > everything is concentrated on a single spot of zero complexity. > > > The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long and > deep computations is going through our state, but comp suggest that the big > bang is not the beginning. > > > > > >> >> Well, meditations might be enough, perhaps. Sleep leads also to >> dissociate state, simpler version of oneself, and the resulting strange >> "realities". >> > > Even the idea that we are unconscious during deep sleep does not convince > me. > > > Me neither. I have always suspected, like Descartes, that we cannot be > "unconscious" (if that is not trivial from the 1p perspective). And since 5 > years, I have clear evidences that we are conscious in all phases of sleep, > but it is a hell of work to be able to memorize the "events", especially > for the slow sleep (the non REM sleep, in french). > Can you tell us how you did it? Personally, I noticed many times that when I wake up directly from deep sleep I am in an alien emotional state, compared to every day life emotions. I feel things that I have no name for. > > > > We could be conscious but without read/write access to our memories, so > how would we know afterwords? But maybe we are experiencing the same level > of consciousness as a bacteria. > > > OK. > > > > > >> >> It is related with the idea that brains acts like filter of consciousness >> (as opposed to producer of consciousness). >> > > Aldus Huxley talks about that in "Doors of Perception", but I'm sure you > know that! > > > Indeed :) > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
