On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>wrote:
> On 1/27/2013 6:07 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Dear Bruno and Stephen, > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>wrote: > >> On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long >>> and deep computations is going through our state, but comp suggest that the >>> big bang is not the beginning. >>> >> >> Dear Bruno, >> >> I think that comp plus some finite limit on resources = Big Bang per >> observer. >> > > Couldn't the Big Bang just be the simplest possible state? > > > Hi Telmo, > > Yes, if I can add "...that a collection of observers can agree upon" > but that this simplest possible state is uniquely in the past for all > observers (that can communicate with each other) should not be just > postulated to be the case. It demands an explanation. > It's uniquely in the past for all complex observers because: - It cannot contain a complex observer - It is so simple that it is coherent with any history > > > That doesn't mean it's the beginning, just that it's a likely > predecessor to any other state. > > > The word "predecessor' worries me, it assumes some way to determine > causality even when measurements are impossible. Sure, we can just > stipulate monotonicity of states, but what would be the gain? > I mean predecessor in the sense that there are plausible sequences of transformations that it's at the root of. These transformations include world branching, of course. > > The more complex a state is, the smaller the number of states that it > is likely to be a predecessor of. > > > Sure, what measure of complexity do you like? There are many and if we > allow physical laws to vary, infinitely so... I like the Blum and > Kolmogorov measures, but they are still weak... > I had Kolmogorv in mind and it's the best I can offer. I agree, it's still week and that's a bummer. > > > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
