On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Stephen P. King <[email protected]>wrote:
> On 1/27/2013 6:07 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Dear Bruno and Stephen, > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stephen P. King <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long >>> and deep computations is going through our state, but comp suggest that the >>> big bang is not the beginning. >>> >> >> Dear Bruno, >> >> I think that comp plus some finite limit on resources = Big Bang per >> observer. >> > > Couldn't the Big Bang just be the simplest possible state? > > > Hi Telmo, > > Yes, if I can add "...that a collection of observers can agree upon" > but that this simplest possible state is uniquely in the past for all > observers (that can communicate with each other) should not be just > postulated to be the case. It demands an explanation. > It's uniquely in the past for all complex observers because: - It cannot contain a complex observer - It is so simple that it is coherent with any history > > > That doesn't mean it's the beginning, just that it's a likely > predecessor to any other state. > > > The word "predecessor' worries me, it assumes some way to determine > causality even when measurements are impossible. Sure, we can just > stipulate monotonicity of states, but what would be the gain? > I mean predecessor in the sense that there are plausible sequences of transformations that it's at the root of. These transformations include world branching, of course. > > The more complex a state is, the smaller the number of states that it > is likely to be a predecessor of. > > > Sure, what measure of complexity do you like? There are many and if we > allow physical laws to vary, infinitely so... I like the Blum and > Kolmogorov measures, but they are still weak... > I had Kolmogorv in mind and it's the best I can offer. I agree, it's still week and that's a bummer. > > > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
