On 06 Feb 2013, at 03:42, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/5/2013 9:53 AM, John Clark wrote:
> You've agreed there is a single definite result (even in MW)
after making some measurement.
Yes.
> You then say there is no single result in Bruno's experiment
Not true, there is a single result in Bruno's experiment, John K
Clark sees Washington and Moscow.
> because "you have been duplicated."
It is beyond dispute that "you" has indeed been duplicated, so if
that personal pronoun is used in a question with no additional
information on which "you" is being referred to then no answer can
be given because the question is ambiguous.
It seems that part of the problem is that in English "you" is both
second person singular *and* plural. Being from the south I suggest
that the experiment be expressed as "You have been duplicated and
y'all see Washington and Moscow.
That's correct, as we have already discussed many times.
But then with QM MW, you must say "y' will all see the electron being
everywhere". So the QM-MW and the comp indeterminacy comes from the
fact that although we can say, in the 3p views on the 1p views that
y'all see W and M, that seeing will be disconnected, and individual.
If not the 1p views are just eliminated, and neither QM without
collapse, nor Mechanism makes any sense.
Bruno
Brent
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