On 14 Feb 2013, at 22:00, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/14/2013 11:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 23:37, Stephen P. King wrote, to Craig Weinberg
Baudrillard is not talking about consciousness in particular,
only the sum of whatever is in the original which is not
accessible in the copy. His phrase 'profound reality' is apt
though. If you don't experience a profound reality, then you
might be a p-zombie already.
Right!
Right?
Here Craig is on the worst slope. It looks almost like " if *you*
believe that a machine is not a zombie, it means that you are a
zombie yourself".
They will persecuted the machines and the humans having a different
opinion altogether.
Craig reassure me. he is willing to offer steak to my sun in law
(who get an artificial brain before marriage).
But with Baudrillard, not only my sun in law might no more get his
steak, but neither my daughter! Brr...
Bruno
Dear Bruno,
Could you re-write this post. It's wording is unintelligible to
me. :_(
Craig sum up well Baudrillard with the sentence "If you don't
experience a profound reality, then you might be a p-zombie already."
That sentence illustrate the willingness to not attribute a
consciousness to a person with a copied, or artificial brain, as such
copy is suspected not being able to live a "profound reality". This is
like saying, we the human with the original carbon brain, can live
profound reality, but not the machine, together with "and if you doubt
that profound reality" then *you* are a zombie too.
It remind me a fundamentalist of some confessional religion who told
me "if your machine cannot believe that some man is the son of God,
then your machine can't think". I told him "---and what I doubt that a
man is the son of God?". he told me that in that case I can't think
either ...
This leads to the idea that not only a machine cannot be conscious,
but any human who would pretend the contrary is also not conscious.
As I said: brrr...
Bruno
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Onward!
Stephen
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