On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:19:14 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
>  On 3/26/2013 4:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> I can explain why if a machine can have experience and enough reflexivity, 
> then the machine can already understand that she cannot justify rationally 
> the presence of its experience. No machine, nor us, can ever see how that 
> could be true. It *is* in the range of the non communicable.
>  If some aliens decide that we are not conscious, we will not find any 
> test to prove them wrong.
> And if we decide the Mars Rover is conscious, can any test prove us 
> wrong?  Or if Craig decides an atom is conscious, can any test prove him 
> wrong?  Which I think is John Clark's point: Consciousness is easy.  
> Intelligence is hard.

Consciousness is easy to the point of being inescapable if you take it for 
granted and hard to the point of being impossible if you don't - which is 
why it is the ground of being. 


> Brent

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