On 26 Mar 2013, at 18:33, meekerdb wrote:

On 3/26/2013 7:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It is a bit what happens, please study the theory. Qualia are useful to accelerate information processing, and the integration of that processing in a person. And they are unavoidable for machines in rich and statistically stable universal relations with each others.

Can you describe exactly how they are unavoidable?

You need the theory, but in a nutshell, they are unavoidable because they are truth that machine will discover when looking inward. They correspond to true facts, which are not sigma_1, but which concerns noneless the machine (like having a local model, or being in some situation, etc.).

Specifically I wonder what constraints this puts on them.

They obeys to the two modal logic system: S4Grz1, X1* minus X1, and their higher order extensions.

Looked at from the aspect of engineering intelligence I would assume it would depend on sensor capabilities, i.e. that machines would primarily communicate about what they can both see. But that doesn't account for humans who communicate a lot about what they feel.

Qualia do not need sensors conceptually, with comp, but in practice, it is the simplest way to get them in accordance with the local universal neighbors. The theories manetionned above can explain well why qualia are non communicable---in the sense of rationally justified by the machine, but why we can still communicate on them, and project them on other machines or entities.



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