Bruno, Please excuse my bottom posting but my gmail acct prevents me from interleaving my responses.
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: > I have tried to study the UDA but lack sufficient understanding to see how > the UDA could compute an infinite number of paths or universes as in the > diffraction example I discussed. > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 12 Apr 2013, at 17:07, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >> Telmo, >> >> I can only give you my opinion. You are of course referring to the double >> slit experiment where one photon can follow at least two different paths, >> and potentially an infinite number of paths. >> >> But even diffraction of a single photon will do that: in the simplest >> case send a photon on to a semi-infinite metallic plane and the photon >> potentially scatters into an infinite number of paths from the edge of the >> plane. We only know which path when the photon reaches a detector plane on >> the far side. The actual deterministic diffraction pattern only emerges >> when the number of photons sent approaches infinity in plane waves. The >> actual path of a single photon is random within the constraints of the >> infinite-photon diffraction pattern. >> >> So I say the way to deal with that is to propagate a large number of >> photons or do an EM wave calculation for the diffraction pattern. >> >> I wonder how comp treats such single photon instances. Does it use >> algorithms that are random number generators? >> >> >> No, it uses the first person indeterminacy in self-multiplication, which >> explains where the quantum wave comes from. I have explained this on this >> list and published it a long time ago. That is why I told you that if you >> take comp into consideration, you must derive QM and perhaps string theory >> (if it is correct) from addition and multiplication of the natural numbers. >> I see you have not yet studied or grasped the UDA :) >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Telmo Menezes >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > Mathematics itself seems rather magical. >>> > For instance the sum 1+2+3+4+5.....infinity = -1/12 >>> > >>> > And according to Scott Aaronson's new book >>> > when string theorists estimate the mass of a photon >>> > they get two components: one being 1/12 >>> > and the other being that sum, so the mass is zero, >>> > thanks to Ramanujan >>> > >>> > If that sum is cutoff at some very large number but less than infinity, >>> > does anyone know the value of the summation.? >>> >>> Hi Richard, >>> >>> Ok, but in that case physics is deterministic, just hard to compute. >>> How do we then deal with the fact that two photons under the precise >>> same conditions can follow two different paths (except for some hidden >>> variable we don't know about)? I'm not a physicist and way over my >>> head here, so this is not a rhetorical question. >>> >>> >>> > >>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Telmo Menezes < >>> [email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou < >>> [email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Craig Weinberg < >>> [email protected]> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:29:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> > If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random >>> way? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> It couldn't. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Are you saying then that matter is random, or that it is neither >>> random >>> >> >> nor >>> >> >> deterministic? >>> >> > >>> >> > Matter behaves randomly, but probability theory allows us to make >>> >> > predictions about random events. >>> >> >>> >> In my view, randomness = magic. >>> >> The MWI and Comp are the only theories I've seen so far that do not >>> >> require magic to explain observed randomness. >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Stathis Papaioannou >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >> > Groups "Everything List" group. >>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send >>> >> > an email to [email protected]. >>> >> > To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> >> > Visit this group at >>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >> "Everything List" group. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an >>> >> email to [email protected]. >>> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> . >>> >> Visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "Everything List" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an >>> > email to [email protected]. >>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> > Visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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