# Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

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On 13 Apr 2013, at 15:18, Richard Ruquist wrote:```
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```Is 10^122 or 10^1000 large enough?
Richard

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I think that 10^1000 is large enough to make the Ramanujan limited sum (limited to 10^1000) as large as (1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + ... + 10^1000).
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I'm afraid that to get the -1/12, you need to go to infinity, and even do some detour in the complex plane.
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I find alluring that, in the "Riemann sense",

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + ... = -1/12

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1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + ... still diverge, although algorithmically slowly.
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Bruno

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On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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On 12 Apr 2013, at 16:24, Richard Ruquist wrote:

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```Mathematics itself seems rather magical.
For instance the sum 1+2+3+4+5.....infinity = -1/12
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Well,  with some convergence criteria!

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And according to Scott Aaronson's new book
when string theorists estimate the mass of a photon
they get two components: one being 1/12
and the other being that sum, so the mass is zero,
thanks to Ramanujan

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If that sum is cutoff at some very large number but less than infinity,
```does anyone know the value of the summation.?
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A very large number.

Bruno

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com > wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com > wrote:
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>> On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:29:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
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>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> > If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random way?
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>>> It couldn't.
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>> Are you saying then that matter is random, or that it is neither random nor
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> Matter behaves randomly, but probability theory allows us to make
> predictions about random events.

In my view, randomness = magic.
The MWI and Comp are the only theories I've seen so far that do not
require magic to explain observed randomness.

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