On 22 Apr 2013, at 19:02, John Clark wrote:

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 , Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote:

>> If so and consciousness is a all or nothing matter and is not on a continuum then you should vividly remember the very instant you went to sleep last night. Do you?

> Why? I don't remember every waking moment when I'm fully alert either.

But you have fallen asleep many many thousands of times, in all your life have you EVERY remembered the exact instant you've passed from consciousness to unconsciousness?

That is not logically possible, as when you are no conscious, you can't experience the past experience anymore.
Consciousness can be attached to open interval of time, not closed one.





I think you don't remember it because there is no such instant, it's a continuum.


That's not entirely false, but a continuous function going from the positive to the negative will cross the line (in the usual analysis).




Are you really trying to make the case that consciousness is a all or nothing matter that is so simple it can be completely described with just one bit of information, on or off?

You need a universal machine capable of self, but it does not need to be a Löbian self (which gives the higher self-consciousness of animals and PA).

One bit of information is not enough.

Bruno





  John K Clark

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