On 22 avr. 2013, at 19:44, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
> >> Without the axiom that intelligent behavior implies consciousness it would
> >> be entirely reasonable to conclude that you are the only conscious being
> >> in the universe.
> > Now we're getting to the heart of it.
> > That axiom is a religious belief.
> Call it any bad name you like but the fact is that both you and I have been
> measuring consciousness by intelligent behavior every minute of every hour of
> our waking life from the moment we were born.
Not me, I remember being confused by the idea that things are not conscious and
being frustrated that my father couldn't explain me why not. Even in
developmental psychology I believe it's known to be a learned concept. I also
believe that some isolated tribes assume everything is conscious.
> Any logical system must start with unproven axioms and the fewer and the
> simpler the better, and I can't think of a better axiom to start with than
> that one.
Why? All of current science works fine without it. Its only function is
> > Unlike other scientific axioms, it doesn't help us in building new gadgets,
> > so not even useful
> False, at least for me. I find it very useful indeed because I could not
> function if I thought I was the only conscious being in the universe and,
> provided that you really are conscious, I doubt if you could either.
Maybe the universe is the conscious being. Doesn't change my experiences either
way, I still have to pay the bills.
> > I might very well suspect the computer is conscious, but I wouldn't claim
> > to be sure
> Do you know for sure that I am conscious?
> For that matter all you know about me is the ASCII sequences I have produced,
> so do you even know for sure that I'm not a computer?
> John K Clark
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