On 4/29/2013 2:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:04 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013  Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:

I also believe that some isolated tribes assume everything is conscious.

If they're right then that certainly solves the consciousness problem and we
can move on to solving the REALLY hard problem, figuring out why some things
behave intelligently.
I don't really understand why you insist that intelligence is a harder
problem than consciousness.

I think John's point is that it's easy to theorize about the "hard problem" of consciousness because the problem isn't even well defined and there's no way to test the theories because consciousness is taken to be a first-person-only phenomenon by definition. On the other hand it is pretty easy to test intelligence - we do it all the time. But creating intelligence is a "hard" problem.

I think we have very solid hypothesis on
why some things behave intelligently, you explained it yourself. The
problem becomes easier if we reject meaning, and accept that evolution
is just a mindless process of complexification.

In any case, through a modern combination of computer science,
neuroscience and biology, we know a lot about intelligence. We know
nothing about consciousness (scientifically, that is -- I know a lot
about my own consciousness).

Maybe because (scientifically) there's nothing to know. What would constitute a solution to the "hard problem" that could be tested? I think the best we will be able to do is to understand human brains to the point that we can manipulate thoughts and emotions as reported by subjects and we can make AI robots that behave like humans and whose "character" we can design as desired. When we've done that we'll "bet" (as Bruno would say) that we've solved the problem.


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