On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:04 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: > >> > I also believe that some isolated tribes assume everything is conscious. > > > If they're right then that certainly solves the consciousness problem and we > can move on to solving the REALLY hard problem, figuring out why some things > behave intelligently.
I don't really understand why you insist that intelligence is a harder problem than consciousness. I think we have very solid hypothesis on why some things behave intelligently, you explained it yourself. The problem becomes easier if we reject meaning, and accept that evolution is just a mindless process of complexification. In any case, through a modern combination of computer science, neuroscience and biology, we know a lot about intelligence. We know nothing about consciousness (scientifically, that is -- I know a lot about my own consciousness). >> >> Any logical system must start with unproven axioms and the fewer and >> >> the simpler the better, and I can't think of a better axiom to start with >> >> than that one. >> >> > Why? All of current science works fine without it. Its only function is >> > religious. > > > But as I said before, I personally would not work fine if I thought I was > the only conscious being in the universe Ok, but please notice -- this is exactly the same reason a lot of people claim for being religious. That they couldn't face life without god. > and I very much doubt that you > would either; unless of course you are not conscious now and never have > been. I'll propose a thought experiment on this soon. I've been a bit busy with the annoying logistics of changing cities... >>> >> Do you know for sure that I am conscious? >> >> >> >> > No. >> >> >>> >>> >> For that matter all you know about me is the ASCII sequences I have >>> >> produced, so do you even know for sure that I'm not a computer? >> >> >> >> > No. > > > EXCELLENT! Congratulations your views are consistent, and thus your doubts > about the consciousness of a intelligent computer must not be any greater > than your doubts about the consciousness of a intelligent human being. Ok, we agree on this. Telmo. > John K Clark > > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.