On 11 Jul 2013, at 19:21, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/11/2013 7:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
wrote:
On 7/10/2013 2:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:37, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
"atheism" is different in America and in Europa, although I have
realized now that some atheists in America might be similar, but
not
Hitchens. Many people confuse agnosticism and atheism.
1) A atheist is someone who dismisses the idea of God, although
some don't
have the courage to also dismiss the word G-O-D.
Atheists differ on this. Some indeed dismiss the idea of God, and
dismiss as
much Hindhuism and Christianism, Aristotle Gods and Platonic Gods.
But then they believ in Matter, the "thrid God" of Aristotle. But
they want
you to believe it is not a God, and seems unable to understand
that IF
everything comes from primitive matter, it does play the role
usually
attributed to God. No one has ever seen primitive matter, nor
explain how it
proceeds, etc. Primitive matter is an etraoplation of the SENSES
to number
relations inferred from experiences.
That's just your rhetoric, Bruno. Neither you nor anyone else
thinks that
primitive matter plays the role usually attributed to the theist
God. No
one suggests we worship matter or look to matter for ethical
rules. There
are no churches collecting donations for matter. There are no
dogmas of
matter written on stone tablets.
Ecologists / Global warming
Vegetarianism / Veganism
Biological foods
Recycling
Work hard / employment is good
Democracy
These are all common dogmatic beliefs amongst a certain class of
people who reject traditional religion.
It ain't dogmatic if you go with the preponderance of the evidence.
I'm not judging: they might
all be true and reasonable.
And the people that hold those views might be quite willing to
change them given different evidence - which is not the case for
religious people who make a virtue of faith.
There is no problem with faith.
There is problems only with *bad faith*, whose symptoms are the
insults and the arguments by violence or per authority.
Bruno
Traditional religion is most certainly not
true nor reasonable. What I am saying is that, you known and I know
that evidence against any of these things would not change the
opinion
of most of their proponents.
I don't know that. Go to realclimate.org and see if you think Gavin
Schmidt holds his opinions on faith.
These are dogma attached to organisations
that collect donations and label people who oppose them as heretics.
Sure, there are Libertarians and Wiccans and Racists - but they
don't worship matter.
They _want_ these things to be true. They derive a moral code from
them. There are purification rituals: eat a certain type of food
(stay
pure), look down on those who eat at McDonald's or drive a big truck.
They are worshipping matter.
Really? Have you asked them? I'll bet you that they'll say they
are spiritual and not materialists.
It's materialistic puritanism.
That's just pejorative rhetoric.
Brent
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