On 7/10/2013 2:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:37, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be
<mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote:
> "atheism" is different in America and in Europa, although I have realized
now
that some atheists in America might be similar, but not Hitchens. Many
people
confuse agnosticism and atheism.
1) A atheist is someone who dismisses the idea of God, although some don't have the
courage to also dismiss the word G-O-D.
Atheists differ on this. Some indeed dismiss the idea of God, and dismiss as much
Hindhuism and Christianism, Aristotle Gods and Platonic Gods.
But then they believ in Matter, the "thrid God" of Aristotle. But they want you to
believe it is not a God, and seems unable to understand that IF everything comes from
primitive matter, it does play the role usually attributed to God. No one has ever seen
primitive matter, nor explain how it proceeds, etc. Primitive matter is an etraoplation
of the SENSES to number relations inferred from experiences.
That's just your rhetoric, Bruno. Neither you nor anyone else thinks that primitive
matter plays the role usually attributed to the theist God. No one suggests we worship
matter or look to matter for ethical rules. There are no churches collecting donations
for matter. There are no dogmas of matter written on stone tablets. Those unnamed
physicists that you keep accusing of holding the primitivity of matter as dogma conduct
research to find something more primitive and in fact construct theories in which matter
is reduced to abstractions like a ray in a Hilbert space.
2) Christopher Hitchens said "What can be asserted without evidence can also be
dismissed without evidence"
Very good. So we can right at the start dismiss the God "Matter".
There's overwhelming evidence for matter. There's nothing in physics that requires it to
be primitive or to be worshiped.
Brent
The subsiding of faith might have been foreseeable as soon as the newly remapped sky left
no plausible site for heaven. But people are good at living with contradictions, just so
long as their self-importance isn't directly insulted.
--- Fredrick Crews, "Saving Us from Darwin"
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