On 7/10/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:57, John Clark wrote:

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net 
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    > Many people, and dictionaries, confuse agnosticism="that whether or not 
    exists is unknown" with agnosticism="that whether or not God exists is 
to know".

If God created the universe

But is there a universe? I see only a physical reality.

that would be a fact about physics that would be very interesting to know, and I see no reason in principle we couldn't detect it;

If there was a God creating a Universe, he might be unable to belong to its creation, a bit like the set of all set is not a set. But I am a super-atheist with respect to such idea. I have no evidence for *such* a god, nor such a creation.

Then you are not open minded enough for Jason. You should believe in such a God until you disprove Him.


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