On 11 Jul 2013, at 22:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/11/2013 12:34 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Jul 2013, at 18:46, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/10/2013 11:25 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I have given the equation. I try to explain this on FOAR but it
relies on some familiarity in logic.
Normally you should know already that physics is given by a
measure on relative computational continuations, and the logic
explains already the statistical interferences.
QM is deterministic and there is only one 'computational
continuation';
?
If you measure up+down in the base {up,down}, you get two
computational continuation, unless you add a non deterministic
collapse.
No, you only get one in which the measuring device state (including
you) is entangled with the system measured.
you * (up + down) = (you * up) + (you * down),
That is a deterministic bifurcation leading to two (at least)
computational continuations, one where you see the electron in the up
state and one in which you see the electron in the down state.
That's what "entangle" means in QM without collapse.
To get two you have to treat "measurement" as some non-unitary
operator.
Not at all, I can also use the FPI. The measurement becomes a machine
interaction followed by self-reference/personal memory access.
That's the puzzle that Everett addressed by throwing out the
collapse postulate and assuming only one kind of continuation.
Since that seemed like an attractive idea the problem has become how
to explain the experience of one thing happening and another not.
It is solved completely by the FPI. We experience one thing and not
the other for the same comp reason why we see only W (or only M) in
the WM duplication. That is why Everett can use comp and remains in a
purely deterministic framework. The only problem is that Everett did
not discovered explicitly the FPI, which occurs also in arithmetic,
which would have forced him to understand that the wave itself must be
phenomenologically derived from a measure on all computations, and not
one circumscribe to any special universal machine (like the quantum
one).
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
