On 30 September 2013 16:18, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 9/29/2013 6:03 PM, LizR wrote:
>
>  On 30 September 2013 13:58, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au>wrote:
>
>> The reason it doesn't make the will a slave to randomness, is that the
>> will is random in its essence. There is no self-other distinction
>> between the will and the random source.
>>
>
>  I don't see this. The random source here is the laws of physics, surely?
> So unless you identify your will with physical law,
>
>  Why not?...with the physical function of your brain and body.  What about
> the deterministic part...it's also from the laws physics.
>
> I may not have put that very well, but what I want to know is, how is this
supposed to stop the will being "A slave to randomness" ? It seems to me
that Russell is saying that if you throw dice, you're a slave to
randomness, while if you move the dsce inside your head (so to speak) you
aren't. I suspect I'm missing something obvious here, it wouldn't be the
first time.

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