On 24 Oct 2013, at 08:54, Quentin Anciaux wrote:




2013/10/24 Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com>




From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:45 AM


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Subject: Re: String theory and superconductors and classical liquids...





Keep in mind the difference between 1) the computationalist hypothesis in "philosophy of mind", and 2) the hypothesis that the universe is the product of some program.



2) implies 1)



but



1) implies the negation of 2) (this can be explained with the thought experiment like in the UDA).



In particular 2) implies the negation of 2), and so is self- contradictory.



Bruno



You lost me hereā€¦ why does 1) negate 2)?


Because 1 implies matter is the result of an infinity of computations below the substitution level (there is an infinity of computations going through your current state). 2 implies matter is the result of one specific computation. 2 implies 1, 1 implies ~2 => 2 => ~2.


OK?

No more question?

I have to go, might add comments later.

Bruno





Quentin


Is it because 1) requires some external observable that is not a part of itself

As seems suggested by saying 2) implies the negation of 2)

Which would be the hall of mirrors of the observing entity requiring an external observable in order to even know it exists. Unless something could be perfectly self-referential, which I sense you doubt.



perhaps just the sound of me flailing around J

Chris



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