On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ok, by me, although for an off-topic subject, it is interesting how > frequently it comes up.
Politics is the blue cheese of debate, it overwhelms all other flavours :) > > On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 5:50:46 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> Brent and Craig, >> >> Politics are typically a trigger for endless off-topic discussions. I >> respect your opinions, but maybe we should avoid this stuff. >> >> Telmo. >> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:31 PM, meekerdb <meek...@verizon.net> wrote: >> > On 10/30/2013 4:05 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:51 AM, meekerdb <meek...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On 10/29/2013 4:17 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >>> >> >>> But this is how I see the concept of Übermensch. The idea got horribly >> >>> distorted by subsequent political events. The ideal of Übermensch is a >> >>> human that transcends the illusion and becomes aware of it's true (1p) >> >>> nature. I also see it as close to Buddhist ideas. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I certainly agree that Nietzsche's Ubermensch has been horribly >> >>> distorted. >> >>> Although anybody who is claimed as a philosophical ancestor by the >> >>> Nazis >> >>> and >> >>> Ayn Rand must have been doing something wrong. :-) >> >> >> >> Just to defend Ayn Rand a bit :) : >> >> >> >> The Nazis and Ayn Rand are ideological opposites. The former were for >> >> total state, while the latter was against state. Also there's the >> >> small matter of genocide vs. writing some books. Recent events have >> >> been showing that Rand was on to something with many of her ideas: >> >> >> >> "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the >> >> stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while >> >> the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the >> >> darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." >> >> -- Ayn Rand >> >> >> >> My main problem with Rand is that I find objectivism childish. She was >> >> a hardcore Aristotelian and didn't understand the problem with her "no >> >> contradictions" dogma. But I'm a lover of individual freedom, so I >> >> have a soft spot for her. >> > >> > >> > But like the Nazis she conceived freedom as freedom from social >> > constraint >> > and to dominate or destroy others without remorse as the Untermensch. >> > Are >> > you familiar with William Hickman? Rand was: >> > >> > "At the time, she was planning a novel that was to be titled The Little >> > Street, the projected hero of which was named Danny Renahan.According to >> > Rand scholar Chris Matthew Sciabarra, she deliberately modeled Renahan - >> > intended to be her first sketch of her ideal man - after this same >> > William >> > Edward Hickman. Renahan, she enthuses in another journal entry, "is born >> > with a wonderful, free, light consciousness -- [resulting from] the >> > absolute >> > lack of social instinct or herd feeling. He does not understand, because >> > he >> > has no organ for understanding, the necessity, meaning, or importance of >> > other people ... Other people do not exist for him and he does not >> > understand why they should." (Journals, pp. 27, 21-22; emphasis hers.)" >> > >> > http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/romancing-the-stone-cold.html >> > >> > Brent >> > >> > >> >> >> >>> But the Buddhist idea is >> >>> to withdraw from the world. Nietzsche's idea is to engage it, amor >> >>> fati. >> >>> The will to power is the creative drive. To create art. To create >> >>> oneself. >> >> >> >> Well put. >> >> >> >> Telmo. >> >> >> >>> Brent >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> Groups >> >>> "Everything List" group. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> >>> an >> >>> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> > an >> > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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