On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:36 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > On 26 November 2013 19:41, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:29 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 26 November 2013 15:17, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Most people wouldn't feel deprived if they weren't allowed to play >>>> hockey, or go scuba diving, or take LSD, but if you are one of those people >>>> who likes playing hockey, or going scuba diving, or take LSD, you certainly >>>> would feel deprived if what you wanted to have or do was made illegal. >>>> >>> >>> I didn't say it should be made illegal. I just said it's odd so many >>> people are, ahem, up in arms about something that in most countries is, as >>> you say, on a par with skating or SCUBA diving - i.e. a minority interest. >>> >> >> It may be an interest that is held by a minority, but it is by no means a >> minor issue. It is a right protected in the Constitution in the same sense >> as right to free speech or to a trial. Would people in most countries not >> be upset to see what are perceived as constitutionally protected liberties >> be curtailed? >> > > I'm more surprised that people WANT to own guns, I'm not suggesting they > should be banned. >
To each his own. Some people live in rural areas where the police response times might be very high, and they can't necessary rely on others to for their protection. > Although having better background checks might help. > There already are background checks. Criminals already bypass them by stealing them, using straw purchasers or making their own. > (That Lee Harvey Oswald, for example...) > See http://22november1963.org.uk/oswald-guilty-or-not-guilty Some of the conspirators have confessed including E Howard Hunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbD_u7nUB_c And David Sanches Morales: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_S%C3%A1nchez_Morales former attorney Robert Walton, who quoted Morales as having said, "I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard" >> In the history of genocides you will find that gun registration and >> confiscation is an almost universal precursor to genocides and democides. >> >> Which is why I'm not in favour of banning guns, but I'm also not keen on > just anyone > If you have been convicted of a felony, been in a mental institution in the previous 5 years, or are addicted to drugs, you are not allowed to buy or possess a gun in the U.S. See: http://usgovinfo.about.com/blnoguns.htm being able to purchase a semi-automatic weapon > Are you aware of the distinction between manual, semiautomatic and fully automatic weapons? Are you okay with people buying pump action rifles, double-action revolvers or bolt action rifles without background checks? > with inadequate background checks. It's legal to own guns here in New > Zealand (and in most countries) but we don't have the level of gun > ownership *or* gun violence of the USA, > As in the link I sent to John Mikes, international studies have shown the two (rates of ownership and violence) are not correlated, and are possibly anti-correlated. > so it seems to me you guys have gone way overboard. And then make straw > man arguments (like that video) presumably to claim that you are the ones > being normal, > How is it a straw man? They cited numerous cases where governments disarmed the populace before it could get away with the most heinous abuses. I can cite several examples where dictators as a first order of business made private ownership of guns a crime punishable by death. > and all the other countries where guns are legal but ownership is more > subject to scrutiny are somehow not as "free". I mean, "gun registration" > is the law in most countries (are you saying it isn't in the US?) > Registration is not the norm here. It is strongly resisted because it is seen as a precursor to confiscation. > and you've somehow conflated it with confiscation; which is a straw man. > How is it a straw man? If there is any empty argument it is that registration is necessary for public safety which is a non sequitur. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
