On 12/2/2013 12:46 PM, LizR wrote:
On 3 December 2013 09:40, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:On 12/2/2013 8:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:I'm sorry but we will have to agree we disagree on that. You're also misleading atheistic position, and you're wrongly attributing "belief" to atheist people (especially belgians)... I'm belgian, I'm not a materialist, I consider myself atheist in regards of religions, and that's what most atheist means when they say they are atheist.Call it "ultimate reality". It is OK, until you grasp enough of comp to see that this rings a bit faulty. There is no problem to call it "ultimate reality", as long as you are open it might have "personal" aspects, and have no prejudice on wht that "ultimate reality" can be (with this or that hypothesis).Then you should have no prejudice toward accepting matter as the possible "ultimate reality". It too might have personal aspect. I believe Bruno's only "prejudice" about this is he thinks it leads to a contradiction.
No, he agrees that matter is necessary and he only objects to it being considered *fundamental*, because he thinks it is already explained by arithmetical computation and because he thinks it cannot explain some aspects of consciousness.
But then he gives computationalism and theology lots of leeway for not explaining things. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
