On 12/2/2013 12:46 PM, LizR wrote:
On 3 December 2013 09:40, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>
On 12/2/2013 8:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I'm sorry but we will have to agree we disagree on that. You're also
atheistic position, and you're wrongly attributing "belief" to atheist
(especially belgians)... I'm belgian, I'm not a materialist, I consider
atheist in regards of religions, and that's what most atheist means when
they are atheist.
Call it "ultimate reality". It is OK, until you grasp enough of comp to
this rings a bit faulty.
There is no problem to call it "ultimate reality", as long as you are open
have "personal" aspects, and have no prejudice on wht that "ultimate
be (with this or that hypothesis).
Then you should have no prejudice toward accepting matter as the possible
reality". It too might have personal aspect.
I believe Bruno's only "prejudice" about this is he thinks it leads to a
No, he agrees that matter is necessary and he only objects to it being considered
*fundamental*, because he thinks it is already explained by arithmetical computation and
because he thinks it cannot explain some aspects of consciousness.
But then he gives computationalism and theology lots of leeway for not
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